October 27, 2015 at 7:25 pm #1723
I am wondering if a scorpion could be my next boat, looking on apolloduck and the classifieds here, it seems that older boats (30 years or so) come in at prices upto about £1000, whereas slightly newer JJboats are upto £4k (cant afford nearly new – so no point looking at those)
The JJ’s look nice, and I know they were well constructed when new, but just to dip my toe in the water at minimal expense would the older boats be as competitive for club and open racing?
are there any known weal spots with these boats, such as areas prone to rot, or features that are worth looking out for? I have a slight preference for bagged kites, does this rule out the older boats?
cheers for thoughtsOctober 29, 2015 at 1:55 pm #1737
Simple answer is it depends! Any hull after about #1812 is a relatively similar shape so depending on weight, fit out etc then it could be. There are small differences and certain boats have better reputations than others but generally when you are looking at that sort of age of boat it will depend more on how well it has been looked after over the years. This years nationals results (http://www.sailscorpion.co.uk/sailwave/Results_2015/Nationals2015_Fleets.htm) has plenty of older boats doing well (#1931 was built in 1990 although she has had a lot of TLC).
The bag boats started around #1958 I think so you are unlikely to find any older than that. They are generally less popular now so there are a couple of bargains to be found with them though.
Not sure there are specific things to look out for apart from the obvious signs of damage and the condition of fittings, spars, sails etc. If there are any particular boats you are interested in then sure there will be someone about who can give you some more specific info…October 29, 2015 at 9:53 pm #1749
I have had a bit of dialogue with John purdie since I posted, which has been helpful. I sail on the North East coast and figured a bag boat might fare better with our north sea swell, but Closer inspection of the chutes on older boats do not seem to be too big, and john tells me that waves down the chute are not too much of an issue. I can see that as the kite is a decent size a chute would probably easier for the crew to handle. Having looked at the cost of new sails, I can also see that finding a boat with reasonable sails would be a good plan.
One other thing, how does the PY stack up to real world performance? at my home club there are fleets of Ent and RS400 together with the inevitable Laser, I am expecting to sit somewhere between these fleets, and enjoying a bit of tactical racing, having been sailing a miracle recently, where I am only really close to other boats for the 1st couple of legsNovember 3, 2015 at 9:41 am #1759
The PY is fairly reasonable as far as it can be and, as you say, you should be somewhere ahead of the Ents / Lasers and behind the RS400s. As always each boat will prefer certain conditions slightly more than others but that is handicap racing and we usually do reasonably well across the range without being spectacular in any.
As John has said waves in the chute aren’t really a problem so I wouldn’t worry about that when deciding which to go for. I’ve tried to update the 2nd hand buying guide on the website to bring it a bit more up to date so that might help too.February 6, 2016 at 11:33 pm #2056
Well, 1971 safely tucked up in my garage – couple of jobs to do before the season kicks off. looking forward to new sailing challenge
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